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Postby Irn-Bru » Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:12 pm

Welch, are you referring to When Pride Still Mattered?
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Postby WshSkins22 » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:27 pm

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Postby Redskin in Canada » Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:36 pm

Daniel Snyder has defined incompetence, failure and greed to true Washington Redskins fans for over a decade and a half. Stay away from football operations !!!
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Postby Redskin in Canada » Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:07 am

Daniel Snyder has defined incompetence, failure and greed to true Washington Redskins fans for over a decade and a half. Stay away from football operations !!!
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Postby WshSkins22 » Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:05 pm

hahahaha, nice my bad, but yeah I have no idea why I can throw a football far, Ig only I had height man im about 5'9
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Postby WshSkins22 » Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:32 am

" But you should've seen Joe (Gibbs) when they said he couldn't coach anymore...his chest puffed out and said..i dont care what it takes, were not leaving here without another ring." Coach Joe Bugel
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Postby WshSkins22 » Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:33 am

" But you should've seen Joe (Gibbs) when they said he couldn't coach anymore...his chest puffed out and said..i dont care what it takes, were not leaving here without another ring." Coach Joe Bugel
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Postby Redskin in Canada » Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:50 pm

Daniel Snyder has defined incompetence, failure and greed to true Washington Redskins fans for over a decade and a half. Stay away from football operations !!!
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Postby Smithian » Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:18 am

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Postby welch » Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:40 pm

Maybe we need to be more precise about "arm-strength".

Do we mean pure muscle?

I don't think its key, since the throwing motion depends so much on the whipping motion of your body. The extra acceleration that boosts speed. That's one reason why 6-4 Norman Snead could throw a ball about 100 yards. He could knock down a brick wall at 10 yards, or, unluckily, a receiver.

Snead was tall for his day. Maybe only Roman Gabriel had the same build (6-4, 220 pounds...unheard of...).

For a baseball comparison, Walter Johnson had very long arms.

So, if you have technique, sure, you might well out-throw the QB's on your school team.
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Postby ArizonaHOG » Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:59 am

Does it really matter how far a QB can throw the ball if no one is there to catch it? Arm strength is important for some throws (the deep out, quick slant), but accuracy is equally important. Decision-making in terms of how and when to throw the ball is an important variable that must be considered, as well. Field vision and recognition of defensive schemes allow a QB to make quick, good decisions with the ball. Arm strentgh and accuracy allow the QB to get the ball where it needs to be.

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Postby REDEEMEDSKIN » Fri Jul 15, 2005 12:38 pm

Arm strength? Vision? Technique? Receivers?

Baloney.

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Postby SkinsJock » Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:32 am

Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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Postby SkinsJock » Tue May 22, 2012 9:49 am

Until recently, Snyder & Allen have made a lot of really bad decisions - nobody with any sense believes this franchise will get better under their guidance
Snyder's W/L record = 45% (80-96) - Snyder/Allen = 41% (59-84-1)
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Postby Countertrey » Sat Dec 28, 2013 9:56 pm

"That's a clown question, bro"
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Postby Kilmer72 » Mon Dec 30, 2013 11:28 am

I was really too young to remember although I was watching the games then. Perhaps one of you guys can explain exactly what Kilmer brought to the table. My understanding was he was the coach's preference. Why? Did he hate Sonny for a reason? I never understood it. Wasn't Sonny coming off an injury too?
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Postby Countertrey » Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:13 pm

"That's a clown question, bro"
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Postby Kilmer72 » Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:29 pm

Thank you. I know I am his name sake but I would love to know what else he brought to the table. My oldest bro tells me he was more of a motivator. Anyone have an opinion on that?
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Postby Countertrey » Tue Dec 31, 2013 12:03 am

"That's a clown question, bro"
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Re: Question About QB Position...

Postby welch » Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:52 am

Sonny called his own plays, and he mixed passes to everyone. Check the stats for passes to Jerry Smith, for instance. He was unpredictable, and that made Allen nervous. Allen's game plan, I thought, was to:

- be careful

- crowd the opposition closer and closer to their goal line

- get turnovers

- kick a field goal

Kilmer could throw a nice pass when he wound up and when the ball didn't slip. Pefect TD pass to Smith against the Packers during the playoff game against the Packers before SB 7. Partly a surprise, because Allen used Smith more as a decoy or a blocker.

Jurgensen used everyone, and nobody could predict what he would do. Jurgensen also was the best passer of his era, and probably in modern football. Sam Huff insists that Jurgensen could throw a curve-ball pass...Huff claims that Jurgy did that against him several times in practice. Sonny bent the ball around a defender.

Indelible memory: First Cowboy game in 1972, the game before Sonny snapped his achilles tendon. Cowboys started strong and Redskins bobbled a few handoffs. After five minutes, it was Dallas 13 (TD plus two field goals), Redskins 0.

Sonny strolled to the huddle, called a play, slowly walked to the line while pulling his pants over his beer-belly. Face showed that he had not a care in the world. Took the snap, stood up, and fired a down and out to Jerry Smith -- 20 yards. (who had been ignored when Kilmer started). Slowly walked back for the next play, and hit Larry Brown: another 20 yards.

The Redskins clawed back.

In the 4th Quarter, with a 1st down on about the Dallas 10, everyone expected Sonny to hand to Larry Brown...the Redskins first 1,000 yard rusher, by the way. Instead, Sonny faked to Larry and handed to Charlie Haraway, a lumbering FB but also a fine blocker and pass receiver. Brown threw a perfect cross-body block on the Dallas defender on he left side, folded him up, and Haraway breezed into the endzone without being touched.

That was Sonny's style of play-calling.

After that game, Sonny's completion percentage was about 66%...which nobody came near in those days.

The next game, Sonny went down for the season with he achilles tendon injury. Look at the stats for SB 7, and imagine if Sonny had been mixing plays around.

As CT says, the Dolphins would have lost.
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You can stand at the Goal Line.
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Re: Question About QB Position...

Postby welch » Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:47 pm

On Sonny to Taylor/Smith/Bobby Mitchell/Brown/Jefferson/Harraway: it's worth looking up NFL Films "Did You Ever See Sonny Play?". It's on Youtube, and I post it in Hogwash about every year, lately, because the Redskins have had such poor quarterbacking for more than 20 years.

On Sonny-and-George: Allen wanted Sonny to retire. Sonny's last game was a playoff against the Rams. George started Billy, and the Redskins fell behind. With between 5 and 10 minutes left, trailing by more than 10 points, George finally calls on Sonny. Cameras have a closeup of Sonny, who seems to say "What does he expect me to do now?". George did not offer Sonny a contract that off-season, preferring to go with Billy and the third-stringer, Joe T.
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Re: Question About QB Position...

Postby DarthMonk » Sat Jan 02, 2016 4:47 pm



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