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The God Argument

Postby Burgundy&GoldForever » Thu Dec 03, 2015 4:18 pm

There isn't one. There is no empirical evidence. There's no substantive proof. There's nothing to argue. Furthermore, the "my god is better than your god" fallacy is responsible for the vast majority of those shootings you keep reading about virtually daily. Those are just the latest in a long historical record of evil done in the name of nonexistent gods.

However, if anyone wants to attempt to convince me otherwise ...
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Re: The God Argument

Postby Deadskins » Thu Dec 03, 2015 6:20 pm

First, I think you need to define what you mean when you say, "God." You talk about evil being done in the name of nonexistent gods, but if anything is being done in their name, then for those doing the evil acts, those gods must necessarily exist, don't they? And if there is "evil," then don't you also have to have "good?" How do you make this moral distinction? You also state, as if it were a fact, that there is no empirical evidence of God, but I think that is also false. Just because you don't know of any, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. Do you know of any empirical evidence that God does not exist? I'm assuming that you believe in evolution (as do I). But there are many holes in the fossil record, and there is no known empirical evidence that justifies the leap from single-celled organisms to the vast biodiversity that exists today. There is no known empirical evidence to support the creation of life itself. There are just theories. And yet, I'd be willing to bet that you still believe (on faith alone) that mankind did evolve from some single-celled organism, and that you do, in fact, exist.

Just so that I can understand the parameters of where your beliefs lie, will you please answer a few questions?
1) Absent God, where did everything come from?
2) Do people have a soul/spirit energy that continues after death?
2a) If so, where did it come from before birth, and where does it go after death? And do other life forms share this quality of having a soul/spirit?
2b) If not, what happens when you die?
3) Was there a man named Jesus who lived roughly 2000 years ago? (I 'm not asking if he was the son of God, just was he a real person, or is he fictitious?)
4) Same question about Moses? (again, not asking if he received the 10 Commandments from God, or parted the Red Sea, just did he exist?)
5) Same question about Abraham?
6) Do you believe in extra-terrestrial life? If so, is there (now or ever before) sentient ET life? If so, has sentient ET life ever visited the Earth?

That will do for now. We can discuss the topic further when you've answered those.
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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

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Very nice, welch. That essay stated a lot of things I believe but had not yet found a way of expressing. Thank you for posting it.
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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

Postby Countertrey » Fri Dec 04, 2015 2:46 pm

This thread is a bad idea... having said that, I will note that, on God's existence, I am agnostic.

HOWEVER... as the originator of the thread, B&G, I think the burden of proof is on you.
The question, "Is there God" is pretty much universally on the minds of most of adult humanity... with the possible exception of those whom have closed their minds completely to the possibility. I do feel sad for those folk.

Have you never asked "Why everything? Why anything?" Have you never pondered the existence of a thought, photons a grain of sand, a paramecium, the Atlantic, Mars, the Milky Way, the Universe, of YOU... and asked "why?"? Do you never entertain the possibility that all was initiated by some calculated construct?
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Re: The God Argument

Postby Burgundy&GoldForever » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:34 pm

“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

Postby Countertrey » Sun Dec 06, 2015 12:11 am

Is empathy an important component of humanity?
Would it be possible to appreciate empathy if there were no pain?

Is mercy an important component of humanity?
Would it be possible to appreciate mercy if there were no vengeance?

Is love an important component of humanity?
Would it be possible to appreciate love if there were no hate?
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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

Postby TexasCowboy » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:45 pm

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning the earth was formless and void - so if God did not
exist then how is it the earth was formed???
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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

Postby TexasCowboy » Wed Dec 09, 2015 5:41 pm

None of it exists God formed the universe, made man in his own image..gave them the
knowledge of things beyond this world, so if he does not exist according to you then you
really have no answer for how everything got here the way it did
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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

Postby TexasCowboy » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:08 pm

Because nothing exists if intelligent
design didn't first have a hand in it's
construction. The world today not
create itself and so nothing lives or
exists if according to you there is no
no God
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Re: The God Argument

Postby Burgundy&GoldForever » Wed Dec 09, 2015 8:30 pm

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Re: The God Argument

Postby TexasCowboy » Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:37 pm

We're based on a design that did not create or design itself
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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

Postby TexasCowboy » Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:08 pm

John 1:1 in the beginning was the word and the word was with God so
explain again how man was created without some intelligent design
doing the designing???
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Re: The God Argument

Postby TexasCowboy » Mon Dec 14, 2015 7:28 pm

This was obviously going back to genesis 1:1
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Re: The God Argument

Postby Burgundy&GoldForever » Tue Dec 15, 2015 12:38 pm

“He was at that time the smartest player in the league. We did everything we could to try to eliminate him from the play. We knew if we didn’t neutralize him, then we had less of a chance of winning.” - John Hannah on Chris Hanburger
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Re: The God Argument

Postby Deadskins » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:38 pm

You do realize that those missing books also espouse Jesus as the son of God, right?
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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

Postby Burgundy&GoldForever » Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:30 pm

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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

Postby Burgundy&GoldForever » Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:47 pm

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Re: The God Argument

Postby Cappster » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:08 am

The crux of the Christianity argument is this:

Do you believe that a human blood sacrifice took place in order to save humanity from eternal damnation? If the answer is yes, you probably need to work out why an almighty being simply cannot forgive himself for his own mistakes and instead, sends himself/son in human form so that he could sacrifice himself/son to himself to save humanity. Does that make any sense whatsoever? It simply does not make any logical sense to a thinking person. If any one of us had the ability to say end war, end poverty, end the pain and suffering of billions on this planet, we would do so in a matter of moments. To this god figure of the bible, our suffering seemingly gives him great joy and pleasure...if he did exist. Fortunately for all of us, the god of the bible is just a made up boogey man used to scare children with threats of hell.
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Re: The God Argument

Postby Deadskins » Mon Dec 21, 2015 12:18 pm

Or maybe God sent his son to live as one of us, and show us that even under the worst of circumstances involved in the human condition, we could still have faith that if we follow his example, we can rest assured of having everlasting life in heaven.
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Re: The God Argument

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Re: The God Argument

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