Would/should we trade RG3 for a 1st round pick?

by **SkinsJock** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:26 am

the answer is YES and YES - if they can get a 1st round pick for Griffin or a 2nd round pick for Cousins they will make that trade in a heartbeat ... there's an awful lot of 'posturing' going on, as per usual, at this time

btw - IMO, the Eagles/Kelly are lying when they infer they were offered a first round pick for Bradford

I really don't think these guys have made up their minds about RG3 - we're going to build the franchise around these 2 QBs for now

the focus is on remaking the defense & the offensive line at this time & addressing the QB issue when we find out what we've got here

this franchise is not looking at how can we compete in the next season or 2 like we used to - we need to look further ahead than that

by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:34 am

Id rather give him the shot to prove he is still the face of the franchise. . Ive seen an article where Bruce Allen has said NO ONE has called about Kirk Grossman..
So why trade away the guy you payed so much for? Idk im blinded with bias, ive seen him destroy and believe he will regain that winners edge that is an intangible hard to find. I believe in him, still. So for me its ride or die- make or break. We've already sold the farm lets see if we can harvest any benefits.
*on that note NO I dont believe anyone offered squat for double acl Bradford. And I definitely dont think anyone is calling to buy either of our qbs for a price that we would even consider (1st or 2 2nds)

by **SkinsJock** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:43 am

^^ - I agree ...

they need to determine what they've got here in BOTH these QBs + they have a lot of other areas to address no matter who the QB is

by **Prowl33** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:20 am

In response to Chip lying...http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015 ... ck_fo.html

Fisher said he was offered a first rounder too, but he wanted Foles. So the reports are valid.

Now Cowboy I would be inclined to agree with you, but im looking at RGs angle in all this. Lets say he plays lights out this year and looks like his old self. Do you really think after all the drama with coaches and media him or his agent are really going to want to stay in Washington? Do you think 1 good year would be enough for us to pay him what it will take to keep him from even testing the market?

If im rg3, I allow myself to get tested in the FA market, with the teams in need of a QB, if I have a ridiculous year, I know a team will pay a lot for me, and I wont have to stay with a coach that rips me on tv, and start fresh with new team mates, and get away from the media QB controversy calling for my job every time I have a bad game.

So, even if he plays good, he wont be a Redskin next year, he will simply cost more than he is worth to us.

by **SkinsJock** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 7:28 am

by **ferryrich** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:08 am

Maybe it was Danny offering our 1st rounder...

by **Prowl33** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:22 am

by **Countertrey** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:43 am

by **riggofan** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:06 pm

I find it really hard to believe anybody would want Nick Foles rather than a first round pick. That feels like crazy talk.

by **Prowl33** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:44 pm

by **riggofan** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:16 pm

by **SkinsJock** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:47 pm

I understand that the Browns are V concerned about their QB situation - I just don't see Bradford being worth it ...

that's just my opinion

by **Prowl33** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:54 pm

by **riggofan** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:00 am

by **Irn-Bru** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:38 am

If someone offered us a 1st round pick for Robert, especially if it was pick 20 or better, we'd be crazy not to take it. But I doubt that any other team at the moment believes in him enough to make that offer.

by **markshark84** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:12 pm

I don't have to read the comments on this one.

If anyone were stupid enough to offer a 1st for RGIII, you'd take it without giving them the time to realize what a mistake they'd be making.

This is a no-brainer. I'd take a 2nd for him --- at any position in the round.

This being said, there are a good deal of idiots in the NFL, but no one is THAT stupid.......

by **PulpExposure** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:00 pm

by **welch** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:29 pm

by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:45 am

^ Snyder?? LOL

by **OldSchool** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:32 pm

I would trade Griffin for a bag of damp sweat socks, I think he is a drain of time and energy.

by **SkinsJock** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:34 pm

Nobody with any sense would trade a top 15 pick in this draft for Bradford or Griffin - that is just not happening

we'd love to trade Griffin but I think they find out exactly what he can do first ...

both could prove to be better than they've shown but why would you take that risk after what we've seen to date

no way

by **Prowl33** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:11 am

by **SkinsJock** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 1:42 am

by **Prowl33** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 7:24 am

by **OldSchool** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:19 am

I can't imagine anyone offering the Skins a draft choice for Griffin. I understand I am more negative about Griffin's potential than most but I think only a minority of Skins fans and Daniel Snyder see future for Griffin. If the Skins cut Griffin I think some team wold pick him up to see if they could teach him how to play QB, but I can't imagine him sticking. I think Snyder's dream dies this year and Griffin won't be on the roster in 2016.

by **Countertrey** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:34 am

by **riggofan** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:15 am

by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:59 pm

by **OldSchool** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:33 pm

by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:03 am

Rigggght... and I watched every game objectively as well.. can you say the same? I saw Kirk lead the league in turn overs.. I saw Colt hit lbs in the endzone and Robert get sacked (often) instead of throw it away.
No qb looked good behind the line that rgprekneeinjury made "look" better. The backyard football HS nonsense is a cop out that uneducated posters and fans throw out. He couldnt have broken as many records, including most accurate Rookie of all time, on just a fluke. I KNOW 2012 is gone- and have no hope for the same type of performance. I want better, and matured passing.. I just dont think your tanted opinion means that Robert is as bad as you hope he is.

You dont know me, nor my educated opinions (weren't u that guy so fed up w losing you "didn't waste time watching" this past year??), so dont come at me bruh.. intoxicated off 2012? And what your intoxicated on Colts mediocre win vs dullass?? :Scoff: That was way more our D, surprisingly, then any masterful performance from the qb. We don't have any better options, so instead of bitching every day about Robert- and you know you do- why not support our starter for once? Who knows, maybe youll actually feel good about rooting for us, knowing his journey has been a tough uphill climb.. If/when that changes, ill gladly sing Hail To ______ <---- insert any qb that leads us back to the playoffs with you man.

We get it. You hate Robert. Try a new thought out for once... sob

by **Prowl33** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 8:42 am

Cowboy and oldschool... 2 opposite sides of the refskins QB spectrum.

First Cowboy, the reason Robert wont do what he did in 2012 has nothing to do with his ankle. Its a few different things...

1) His play was a mix between his athletic ability and a system designed to simplify and confuse defenses to the point where simple 1 read passes were possible. Robert executed them very very well

2) Teams understand how to defend that better now, it can still be effective, but not nearly as much so better pocket skills are needed

3) Robert doesnt want to use his skills like that anymore, he wants to be a pure pocket passer, and he may or may not be able to succeed that way, it is yet to be seen

Oldschool...

Cousins may be able to develop into a more consistent passer, he is good in the pocket, he can be accurate, he can throw the big ball, he can progress through his reads, and he has good awareness in the pocket. Issue is can he get rid of his inconsistency with ball placement for those interceptions? He very likely can, but no one knows yet... I feel like Gruden sees something we dont... because on paper Cousins fits Grudens system perfectly. It may be a confidence or resilience thing to bounce back from adversity and/or be a leader we heard a little about during the season.... who knows.

I think both can be starting qbs somewhere in the nfl.... give me them over ej manuel or geno or some of these other bums any day... but I dont think either will be starting next year... or maybe not even on the team.

by **riggofan** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:45 am

I'm just so bored with the RGIII discussion. Love him, hate him, whatever.

I assume he's going to have a chance to prove he can play this season. Time to put up or shut up.

by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:28 am

by **Prowl33** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:55 am

Really depends on the person in both aspects. Cousins can gain confidence, its a state of mind, and in a good situation he may do great... or he may revert... depends on how sharp and strong he can be mentally and emotionally.

Griffin... being quick to make the right decision and being smart and remembering plays are 2 different things. He can have every play memorized but when it comes time to that split second decision can he make the right one? That is yet to be seen.

Our QB depth to me is our downfall, we got 3 qbs that anyone cab argue should start... so it will create friction and controversy till there is only 1 clear starter viewed by coaches, media, and fans and we will struggle till that stops.

by **Irn-Bru** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 12:35 pm

by **markshark84** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 1:45 pm

by **cowboykillerzRGiii** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:42 pm

by **yupchagee** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 11:36 pm

by **markshark84** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:40 am

by **DarthMonk** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 1:06 pm

by **RG3peat** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 4:42 pm

Id take Foles in a heartbeat....but I WOULD trade RG3 for a 1st rd pick and keep Cousins..build a team around ANY QB

by **SkinsJock** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 4:59 pm

Would we trade Griffin for a 1st round pick? undoubtedly

Should we trade Griffin for a 1st round pick? unquestionably

so what - that's just argumentative and completely unrealistic

the reality is this franchise is going through a rebuilding process that is going to take a few years ...

we have time to build an offensive line and re make the defense while we are determining who is going to be the QB of the future

we do not need to make a trade Griffin at this time + we will not make a trade for Griffin unless another franchise makes us a stupid offer

we do not know for sure what we have with this QB (well those of us with any sense, do not, that's for sure) :lol:

by **Bishop Hammer** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:41 am

by **SkinsJock** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:28 pm

There are many here that are not understanding or really believing that this franchise is now being managed very differently

everybody, players coaches and front office staff are going to be held accountable for what they do and how well they do it
this applies to the roster make up and the guys who will be playing each and every week - huge changes are in store here ...

we have not had that happen here since Snyder took over and while I can understand that some are going to want to wait and see that things will be different, it seems fairly obvious that Scot and Jay are primarily making the decisions here and Snyder is 'supporting' this

all of the players and especially players like the QBs, that did not play even close to what was expected will be closely monitored and they will be given every chance to show that they can do better or they will be gone

there's no rush - the changes in store for this franchise are for the long term - we are not going to suddenly be much better

the process will take time but there will be very few players on this roster in 2017 that were here last season

RG3 has the same challenge as anyone else - show that you can play better or you will be gone

by the same token, there's no need to not keep players that might prove to be contributors here in 2017 and beyond

by **Prowl33** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:29 pm

More players may be here than we think. A lot of results were bad coaching. They would rather keep players on the roster than bring in new players when possible (from FA atleast). Gruden said it best during his recent interview at the breakfast, they want to create a family atmosphere and comradary and we cant do that with a constant turning over of players.

At the same token though, if a player is given the chance and doesnt cut it, expect him to be deactivated and off the roster without hesitation.

by **riggofan** » Sun Mar 29, 2015 1:33 pm